Just a little straight talk about the Bible...

ekrubtap · Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:13 am Post subject:

Sorry, no deal. This is a Forum. If you can't handle me, how do you think you'll do up against your devils and other assorted antichrists?
And I see a lot of that "I could rebut your points but don't have the time or inclination." Uh huh. Very Happy

ZippyZingo · Corporal Joined: Apr 07, 2004 Posts: 71 Location: USA

Ekrubtap,
Our debate would be a total and complete waste of time. If you seriously wanted answers to your questions I would be happy to help, but you have made it plain that you are unwilling or unable to do what is required to see my point of view.

I am very aware of point of view since I am confronted with it often. I live in a world where your view is taught in our schools and passed as fact on my television and newspapers. I have chosen to follow a harder path and I am comfortable with it.

YOU are the one that has trouble with it. You react to my way of life as if it is a personal attack on yours. I have tried to post only my point of view without judging anyone else. With one minor exception, I have not posted Bible text here because I am aware that they mean nothing to you. I have tried to explain the general philosophy of Christanity as I see it. It is not perfect but it is a reflection of what works for me. This is a growth process and I am still evolving as a Christian. It is not a straight line, there a lot of ups and downs and I crash regularly but I do make progress. I hope that your philosophy does this for you.

I know what you think of my life. You have made that very plane and I am sure that your will continue to do so. I honestly do not care. You have made it plain that nothing but absolute acceptance of you point of view would deflect your attack. I am comfortable with who I am and your spleen will not change that. We can spout whatever words we want, make any accusations, act in any manner and it will not change reality, mine our yours, they are the same.

I know that you have heard it all before. Me too. If it helps you any, consider this a victory and move on.

ekrubtap · Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject:

Whatever happened to Christianus Robustus, who willingly faced lions in a real forum for their faith?

So how would you define God, Zippy?
Or any one else of whatever religious persuasion.

Jamming · Colonel Premium Member Joined: Jun 22, 2002 Posts: 1874

Yeah, but the lions get it over with, not carrying it on forever and a day.

chickengirl · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:21 am Post subject: about the Holy Spirit...

ekrubtap · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:48 am Post subject: Re: about the Holy Spirit...

I was reflecting back to the days of my saintly youth as an RC. It was always ghost, never spirit. In a search of KJV I came up with 91 returns on "ghost", 10 for "spirit". 0 returns for ghost, 101 returns for spirit in New American Standard (Wow, a national bible), 0 ghost, 103 spirit, Amer. Standard. 0 G, 104 S, New KJV. 89 G, 21 S, Third Millenium Bible. 0 G, 158 S, New Living Translation. 0 G, 99 S, New Revised Standard. 0 G, 103 S, Revised Standard Edition. 0 G, 111 S, Good News Translation. 92 G, 18 S, Douay-Rheims Bible. (Good ol' Crosswalk http://bible.crosswalk.com/ )

The references to the "holy spirit " in the OT are all as the spirit of God, or of other individuals, in the way we use the expression today. "Boy, that chickengirl has great spirit." None of the references indicates a separate entity (the parakete Smile

) There are the references to the breath of God (Does God brush his teeth? Eternal halitosis...yowza!), but again no connection to the idea of a separate entity.

From Wikipedea (Nothing to do with Wicca).....
Holy Ghost
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Ghost

Holy Ghost was the common name for the Holy Spirit till 1901. It is the name used in the King James Version of the Bible, and is still the preferred name among conservative Pentecostal groups and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

In 1901 the American Standard Version of the Bible translated the name as Holy Spirit and many modern translations have followed suit as the word ghost has lost its old meaning of the spirit or soul that is inside man.

chickengirl · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:10 am Post subject:

Thanks Ek...and for the Wikipedia site...a new one to add to my "reference favorites." Wink

ekrubtap · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:20 am Post subject:

ekrubtap · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject:

Hey Zippy,
You know what, you're right. It can be like debating a wall.
(I liked your analogy of the forty yard homerun)
So don't go away or anything. Your contribution is important.
And I think I'll give up debating, except in reply when adressed..
For preaching maybe, yeah, I'll start a thread entitled Atheists-R-Us or something and speachify from there and for the most part I'll try to leave you guys to your threads (reserving the right to engage hard core fundamentalists, of course).
I apologise for jumping on your posts. While debate is good, bullying needs to be eradicated everywhere, not just from the schools.

chickengirl · Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:22 pm Post subject:

You know what Ekrubtap...because of you and SicPreFix, and Shamash and all the other un-believers who post here, I have spent more time studying the Word lately than I have for a while. And my days haven't been better...Every break I take from my daily chores, I am in the Word. And for me, and any Christian:
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Really, you do us a service, driving us to the Scripture...and this forum is a good place to practice or hone our skills, in our handling of the Word. At least it is for me. I have hung out at a Christian forum, and it hasn't been half as edifying as it has been here.
So thanks you guys...my days have been so blessed, and a little more exciting as well. Wink

shamash · Corporal Joined: Mar 21, 2004 Posts: 70 Location: USA

Hey i'm not a un-believer, just a selective believer. Wink

i just happen to believe in 'the big guy in the sky' just in my own way and not a way that i feel is being forced on me. I also believe there was a man called Jesus Christ at one time, but just have a different view than you on him as well. So i wouldn't say that makes me an un-believer just different than you. And i'm very glad to be of service to you. Hope you enjoy your stay Chickengirl. Very Happy

signed: Shamash (aka Lucifer Twisted Evil

) just kiddin' Laughing

ZippyZingo · Corporal Joined: Apr 07, 2004 Posts: 71 Location: USA

Hey Ek, You did not run me off. Things have been very busy for me lately. I have roofers working and several other things going on at the same time. On top of it all the roofers cut the phone cable running to my DSL router. I had to splice in a new cable and reroute everythng to get my connection back up. Still kind of jury rigged because I did not have the correct connectors for the splice. At this time my connection keeps dropping. I have to go back through and troubleshoot the cables or it could be my router since it is over 4 years old.

I will not abandon you to simmer in your own juices but I really did not sign in to argue either, after all we have both heard it before. I will return later but for now I really only have time to monitor.
Talk to you later, guys Smile

MrsHoppes · Sergeant Joined: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 122 Location: USA

PsychedelicShroom · Cadet Joined: Apr 05, 2004 Posts: 7 Location: USA

PsychedelicShroom · Cadet Joined: Apr 05, 2004 Posts: 7 Location: USA

The biggest contradiction I can find in the bible is whther or not salvation is achieved through only faith, which a good majority of Christendom claims, or by faith AND works.

Here are three scriptures references from the New Testament supporting salvation through faith only:

Ephesians 2:8,9
Romans 3:20,28
Galatians 2:16

Here are the scriptures, also from the New Testament, supporting salvation through faith and works:

James 2:24
Matthew 19:16-21

Yes, you gotta look these up.

This is just one of the problems I found during my ministry studies, but I think the most important, considering that salvation is the focus of the Christian Faith.


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