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ekrubtap
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Seek, and thou shalt recieve.
The extraterrestrials/angels have the ability to both, bend and dilate space time, making them the “beings of antiquity.” They are, hyperdimensional! The extraterrestrials have been with us since the beginning. Our ancient “myths” are not “myths” at all.
http://hometown.aol.com/deismlives/Deistic.html
God spoke to me and said, "I will get you a free site". Praise God!!!!!!!!!! Glory to Jesus name!!!!!!!welcome to the "prophetic ministry ministries" of
"ministryofdreams"
http://www.ministryofdreams.freeservers.com/
Jediism: The Jedi Religion
We embrace Jediism as a real living, breathing way of life, and sincerely strive to seek out and emulate real life examples of Jediism in the long rich history of mankind. Jediism bases less of its focus on myth and fiction, and more upon those real life examples of Jediism found in the hearts of heroes and within the actions of such.
http://www.jediism.org/
The Creator desires to experience EVERYTHING
The term "Operation Terra" refers to both a body of information and an operational concept. The information is being telepathically transmitted to Sara Lyara Estes (aka Lyara) by a group of higher-dimensional beings who refer to themselves as "The Hosts of Heaven."
http://www.operationterra.com/About/index.html
"LISTEN to the Truth."
Whether you are a Christian looking for a better understanding of the Bible as it applies to today's life or just want to find out what our government is really up to, you have come to the right place.
http://www.truthradio.com/
The Church of Tom Jones
My ministry, The Progressive Universal Life Church (aka The Church of Tom Jones) offers Spiritual Degree, Diploma & Ordination Programs by Mail to the members of our congregation. Many of our Certificates are Awarded for Life, Work or Educational Experience! Get yours NOW! www.pulc.com.
http://hometown.aol.com/tomjonesisagod/...faith.html
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MrsHoppes
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Tom Jones has his own church? That's scarey. Then again, Mel Gibson has his own church now too.
Ok, one at a time...
The first one is obviously demonic.
The second one is a false teacher and most likely a false prophet.
The third one is obviously a false religion
The 4th is demonic. Although those who believe in the rupture errr... rapture will look at this and think it is a set up to "explain the rapture."
Truth Radio... looks interesting. Never listened to it since I don't live in California. However, judging by some of the authors they promote, I'd tread carefully.
Universal Life Church is a joke and a false religion. And the wed link "tomjonesisagod" is enough to tell me that I don't even need to bother with it.
Here is a link for you:
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/
That will help you sort true teachers from false teachers.
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Wow...where do you come up with these sites???  it's ok, you don't hafta answer that question... I DO know how you come across them...one link leads to another  ...teehee
...and here I thought I was being paranoid...I just KNEW someone was spying on me... 
I always did like Tom Jones singing "She's a lady"...then I like Eddie Murphy's rendition while in the character of Buckwheat, on Saturday Night Live..."She's a Mady"...I could neva worship Tom though...He sings that song to all the Madys...
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ekrubtap
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Dang, you managed to momentarily excite me Mrs Hoppes. I thought, upon first glance, that the site was titled Biblical Disarmnament Ministries. Oh well.
They sez;
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Inerrant? How is it possible for anyone to believe that this book is inerrant when it is rife with error, contradiction, and inaccuracies. I've posted numerous examples; you must think I pull them out of my hat. No, probably not. That would be occultism.
BTW, all those sites are straight out of the loony bin.
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SicPreFix
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CC, I never said you were stupid, I said you were ignorant. There is a world of difference there. And I based that statement upon myriad incorrect statements and misunderstandings that are clearly present in your post rebutting my quote of James Randi.
In this most recent post you also state a number of rhetorical, or argument fallacies rendering what you say meaningless. For example, you say:
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| ... you don't believe in the paranormal and yet you presume to know someone you've never spoken to in your life. |
There is no consequential, or correlational, or otherwise relationship between my lack of belief in the paranormal and the presupposition that I "presume to know someone" I've never spoken to - they are not related. You cannot compare and contrast apples and oranges. For one thing, I do not claim to know you at all. For another thing, it matters not that I've not spoken to you because I've seen your written words. And your written words show a great deal of ignorance. My statements of your ignorance are based soley upon your lack of knowledge and/or understanding and your evident misunderstanding and misinterpretation of science, scientific principles, and scientists as is quite evident in your post.
What that means is that my statement that you are ignorant of science is based upon your statements that show beyond a doubt that you are ignorant of science. For example, if I were to make a claim that I know what makes all cars run, and then began to discuss the importance of the special blue genie hiding under the hood, then that would show my obvious ignorance of what makes cars run.
I am not criticizing your ideas, or beliefs. I am commenting on your lack of understanding of science et al. That lack really is abundantly clear in your post. One prime example would be your statement that scientisits would like us to think the earth is flat. Well, that's simply and completely absurd. Scientists were among the first to argue (and be put to death by the church for doing so) that the earth was round. Anyway, I've spent enough time answering your ad hominems. If you misunderstood me, which it seems clear you did, and thought I was accusing you of stupidity, I apologize. Nonethteless, my statement stands.
As to your comment about living in fear of things being disproven, that too makes little sense and you have nought that I can see to base it on. I have no general fear of things being disproven because that is part of the role of science: to postulate, theorize, prove, disprove, etc. But whether a thing be disproved, proved, or simply postulated, it is at least done so on meaningful evidence rather than faerie dust.
Ultimately CC, your rebuttals are based upon flawed reasoning. There is, in your posts, a marked tendency to use argument fallacies. If you don't know what they are, have a look at this site to clarify the issue:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
It's a difficult and complicated concept though, so take your thinking cap with you.
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ekrubtap
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Have I got the right thread? This is Religious News, isn't it?
Judge Sends Evolution Lawsuit to Trial
Tuesday, April 6, 2004
ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- A federal judge refused to dismiss a lawsuit against a school district's practice of posting disclaimers inside science textbooks saying evolution is "a theory, not a fact."
The Cobb County schools' disclaimer, in the form of a sticker on the inside front cover of textbooks, could have the effect of advancing or inhibiting religion, U.S. District Judge Clarence Cooper ruled in ordering the suit to go to trial.
"We're very excited about this," said attorney Michael Manely, who represents the six Cobb County parents who sued the system in August 2002.
The lawsuit argues that the disclaimer restricts the teaching of evolution, promotes and requires the teaching of creationism and discriminates against particular religions.
The sticker reads: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered."
The judge weighed the constitutionality of the issue by applying a three-pronged test handed down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1971. In order to get the lawsuit dismissed, the school board had to show that the disclaimer was adopted with a secular purpose; that its primary effect neither advances nor inhibits religion; and that it does not result in an excessive entanglement of government with religion. In his order signed last Wednesday, Cooper said the school board satisfied him on the first issue.
But he noted that while the disclaimer has no biblical reference, it encourages students to consider alternatives other than evolution. The judge found that the disclaimer could have the effect of advancing or inhibiting religion. "Indeed, most of the board members concurred that they wanted students to consider other alternatives," Cooper wrote.
The theory of evolution, accepted by most scientists, says evidence shows current species of life evolved over time from earlier forms and that natural selection determines which species survive. Creationism credits the origin of species to God.
In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled creationism was a religious belief that could not be taught in public schools along with evolution. ---
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SicPreFix
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| ... inerrant and infallible, in the whole and in the part, in all areas (including creation, science, geography, chronology, history, and in all other matters in which it speaks), in the original manuscripts.... |
Absurd. Utterly, completely, and in every aspect indivisibly absurd.
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SicPreFix
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Judge Sends Evolution Lawsuit to Trial
Oh dear, what egregious boobs.
If conservative religionist America (and other global hot spots) had its way we'd devolve back into the desperate times of medieval Britain. And oh my, what a sad, ugly, dangerous, and unenlightened time that would be.
"Hey Mom, the barbarians are at the door again. They say they want to rape, pillage, and torture us because we do not have a shrine to the blue meanies from Porter Down. Should I let them in, or send them over to the Heathens next door?"
The rule of ignorance is such a sad and frightening thing, even tho it be born of ignorance and fear itself.
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CCglider
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Ultimately CC, your rebuttals are based upon flawed reasoning. There is, in your posts, a marked tendency to use argument fallacies. If you don't know what they are, have a look at this site to clarify the issue:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
It's a difficult and complicated concept though, so take your thinking cap with you. |
Okay, due to time constraints, I have to forfeit. You are obviously too clever (or lazy)to question what you're told.
You win, sweetheart. Good luck with your anti-scientific "He said so, therefore it is reality" religion.
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ekrubtap
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Good luck with your anti-scientific "He said so, therefore it is reality" religion.[/quote]
If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair colour.
Atheists: Most Dangerous Americans (from About.com, Atheism)
Madalyn Murray O'Hair described herself as the "most dangerous woman in America." It appears that such a perception of atheist has endured, even after her death: a University of Wisconsin Survey Center conducted last summer reveals that Americans consider atheists to be the most dangerous group in America, even ahead of Muslims.
The Minnesota Daily reports:
It includes 120 questions about the respondents’ views on race, religion intolerance and prejudice. ... When questioned about what religious or nonreligious group doesn’t share their vision of American society, survey participants indicated that atheists — with 54 percent — provided the greatest threat, Hartmann said. Survey participants said Muslims create the second-highest threat.
“This result shows that religion is deeply intertwined with conceptions of American society,” [Doug Hartmann, one of the three University professors spearheading the project] said. “The absence of faith, the belief in a higher being seems to be a major barrier between people in our society.”
It's no wonder that an atheist wouldn't get elected dog catcher in most municipalities - we're regarded as a greater threat to America and individual America than any other religious or nonreligious group. We're ahead of Muslims, ahead of communists... we're even worse than the French! This survey does demonstrate just how far Americans tend to go in identifying their nationality with their religion - many don't seem to accept the idea of having common cause with people who dont' accept any of their theistic presuppositions.
Gee, and I try to be a nice guy..................
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CCglider
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| If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair colour. |
First of all, I don't consider faith in folks like Billy Graham or the Pope "theism". I also don't consider faith in science "atheism".
There ARE theists and there ARE atheists but anyone who thinks the prejudices of whatever scientists (or showmen or religious leaders) have been allowed the podium proves or disproves the existence of things we can't see or measure is still a blind follower and that's religion based on faith. It's a belief system based on FAITH. Like it or not.
You're assuming that just because I've annoyed you on this particular subject I must be religious and you couldn't be more wrong if you assumed I was a cat.
"Both sides can't be right." does not mean that one side MUST be right. The third and statistically most probable choice is that both sides are profoundly wrong. You don't have to know the truth to understand that, but you do have to step off the common man's high-horse. Unless, of course, a common man is what you strive to be...in which case...well...carry on.
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ekrubtap
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"Faith" in folks like Billy Graham and the Pope is obviously theism. How can a person who believes in a person who believes in God not also believe in that same God?
Your ideas equating religion with science are, to a large extent, simply wrong. Science is not based on faith. There are elements of pseudo-science (read as BS science) that are....Ufology, creationism, astrology etc., but these are not science, and in fact have more to do with the concept of faith based religion.
And you're assuming you've annoyed me. Wrong again. And I make no assumptions regarding your beliefs (or lack of belief in anything if such is the case)
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When you say "statistically most probable" you should include a link or a reference to said statistic. Otherwise, the natural conclusion is that you are just bandying about quasi-impressive phraseology to support erroneous conclusions.
What do you believe in?
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I think most people already know what I believe in. 
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| "Faith" in folks like Billy Graham and the Pope is obviously theism. How can a person who believes in a person who believes in God not also believe in that same God? |
What God would that be? The one that thinks and knows and is exactly like Billy Graham or the Pope? Who would want a puny God that is no better than a man?
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| Your ideas equating religion with science are, to a large extent, simply wrong. Science is not based on faith. There are elements of pseudo-science (read as BS science) that are....Ufology, creationism, astrology etc., but these are not science, and in fact have more to do with the concept of faith based religion. |
Science is entirely based on faith, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about those who are not scientists but who readily put their faith in those who claim to be.
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And you're assuming you've annoyed me. Wrong again. And I make no assumptions regarding your beliefs (or lack of belief in anything if such is the case)
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| "Both sides can't be right." does not mean that one side MUST be right. The third and statistically most probable choice is that both sides are profoundly wrong. |
When you say "statistically most probable" you should include a link or a reference to said statistic. Otherwise, the natural conclusion is that you are just bandying about quasi-impressive phraseology to support erroneous conclusions.
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I'm not sure there's a link to common sense and logic. Any scientist can tell you that for everything we DO know, there are an infinite number of things we don't. The math is simple with numbers like that.
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I believe in what is. What is, is. Whether we like it or not. You like your beliefs intact, I want my beliefs smashed to bits. We are like night and day, you and I.
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ekrubtap
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| "Faith" in folks like Billy Graham and the Pope is obviously theism. How can a person who believes in a person who believes in God not also believe in that same God? |
What God would that be? The one that thinks and knows and is exactly like Billy Graham or the Pope? Who would want a puny God that is no better than a man?
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That would be your basic run-of-the-mill standardized white bread supreme being of whatever ilk. There is no god who is better than a (hu)man. The concept of god comes from within us. We are God. And we're doing a lousy job.
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| Science is entirely based on faith, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about those who are not scientists but who readily put their faith in those who claim to be. |
Science is NOT entirely based on faith. (see other explanatory posts if the preceding statement has left you thirsting for knowlege. I tire of the repetition.) Life would be pretty harsh without the contrbutions of science. Sure, it's not all good, but hey, even clowns can go bad. We have to deal with it.
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| I'm not sure there's a link to common sense and logic. Any scientist can tell you that for everything we DO know, there are an infinite number of things we don't. The math is simple with numbers like that. |
Common sense is just too common. As in lowest common denominator. It's almost an oxymoron. It's one of those essentially meaningless terms like "silent majority" that is often used to disguise and promote prejudicial ideas.
Are you sure that there is an infinity of undiscovered knowledge out there? I thought there was only about 18 - 20 things we didn't know about yet.
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| I believe in what is. What is, is. Whether we like it or not. |
What is this "what is" that you believe in? Is it the preceding "infinity" of knowledge? (after all, that knowledge "is" whether we can currently conceptualize it or not.) I would think "what is" would encompass both science and religion. They "is". Dog crap on the sidewalk "is". How do you percieve "what is". Do you filter "what is " through your senses (not common)? Do you trust your perception of "what is"? What if what you think of as "is', "isn't"? If "is" "isn't" then "isn't" becomes what "is" and you would thereby have to believe in what "isn't". Do you have a degree in "what is"? Is your "what is" based on some semblance of reality, or is it based in a form of mythology, hallucinogenic, or other extra-perceptual methodology or belief system? (Is that twenty questions, yet?)
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| You like your beliefs intact, I want my beliefs smashed to bits. We are like night and day, you and I |
Intact, shmintact, who cares? Beliefs come and go. Nothing is forever.
"I want my beliefs smashed to bits"
Now that's an interesting statement. I might have to do a consult with TMOV here. You believe in "what is". You want your beliefs "smashed to bits". Thereby, you want "what is" - "smashed to bits". To extrapolate then, you would like a situation where nothing existed - no universe, planets, picket fences, crap on the sidewalk, rejection, perception, indigestion, cognizance, smart assed religious forum co-respondents, pope-on-a-rope, lovey-dovey special friends,--well...just nothing. Zippo.
Sounds kinda bleak, CC. Even the alternative, which I suspect you meant, that your beliefs are so malleable that they can be changed at the whim of the first "smasher" that rides into town. Beliefs can and do change. But it usually takes time. To have all your beliefs "smashed" would, I think, be somewhat psychologically disconcerting, bravado notwithstanding. Ideas that are capable of being "smashed" are not beliefs. They are fashion statements.
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