What is our purpose. My Christian view.

b11ng00 · Guest

In the Holy Bible. Solomon the son of King David. Said in Ecclessiates.

Mankinds purpose is to work and eat and enjoy this basic bones kind of life.
That's according to the preacher Solomon.

Now in the new testament. Matthew I believe. Jesus said the prophets and the people in the bible below them was fulfilled in this.
That we accept Jesus was sent and delivered God's message.
His instruction to fulfill his way of life delivered to him by God was.
Love God And your Neighbour. Doing unto them as you think is fulfilling for them and you.

Now. There by nessessity needs to be a individuals response to Jesus' instruction. Every man and woman needs to make theyre own best judgement on how to listen to Jesus.

Paul the Apostle tells us his biblical instruction on Jesus' given instruction.
He says. If you have a Oxen. You know the 4 legged beast, the Oxen.
He says, let him or her eat as they work. Not be muzzled and whipped and hollered at. But unmuzzled being free to eat as they work.

So. I tell you. You live now to work as Solomon said. But let your neighbour and God eat as they work with you. In contentment. Not agony.
That is lifes great purpose as seen by me a Christian.

Thank you for listening.

tornfree · Guest

I agree.
And when people do that, they will have fellowship.

Then there will be peace.
When feelings and temptations from sin arise, they will deny themselves, as Jesus taught, and take up their cross daily and the peace and fellowship continues and increases.

COBBLERS2U · Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

You're reading "that" book again arn't you
Use your own mind, not someone elses interpretation of something that they could not really understand.
Sheep Turkeys and Lemmings all have the same thing in common, they are led by others.

SicPreFix · Sergeant Joined: Feb 21, 2004 Posts: 121 Location: Canada

We, like the sheep, the roses, the fishes, the grains that make the loaves, and anything and everything else that "lives" have but one purpose on this earth: To breed and continue the species.

That's it.

Anything else is anthropogenic.

Or the creations of a credulous fantasy life.

MrsHoppes · Sergeant Joined: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 122 Location: USA

SicPreFix · Sergeant Joined: Feb 21, 2004 Posts: 121 Location: Canada

Puke all you want girl; get it out of your system.

Just because we have no "ultimate" purpose doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't make the best of it.

For that matter, the negative actions, or their opposite, posited in your "why bother...." statement don't require an ultimate purpose either, by which I mean there is no necessary correlative relarionship between making life as good or as bad as we can and having an "ultimate" purpose. They're only related if you want them to be.

ekrubtap · Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject:

SicPreFix · Sergeant Joined: Feb 21, 2004 Posts: 121 Location: Canada

Anthropogenic anthropomorphistic abstractions.

Very Happy

chookpoo · Cadet Joined: Mar 06, 2004 Posts: 6 Location: Australia

Who did make man the earth the universe and all the complex diversity of life that exists within it then? Oh thats right, it just designed and made itself. Its just a coincidence that there are thousands of tasty foods or even that you can taste food and enjoy life on so many levels at all. Only the last 100 years has man begun to deny the existence of a creator, before then it was an excepted fact. I dont know for sure what gods purpose for the earth is, i have my own idea that i hold faith in. The only thing i am certain of though is that life is just to complex to have ever come about by chance, science doesnt even know how the brain works yet, among so many other things. And yet you put faith in them over the creator theory?

ekrubtap · Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:57 am Post subject:

Speaking of anthropomorphism, the question is not who made the universe... but how did the universe come about? And excepting the reference to "designed" you have, in your subconcious desire to seek the truth (the true truth) answered the question. I'll ignore "excepted fact", tempting as it is to run with it, your intention is clear.
This question, like all pertaining to belief, is inarguable with the believer.
Yes, scientific answers have flaws. They have flaws because the journey to cognizant nirvana (knowing it all.....the godhead, if you will) is one of discovery, formulation of theory, experimentation, replacement of outmoded theory with contemporary knowledge and advancement. Alive. In short, everything that religion is not....which is dogma. Cut and dried. Static. Dead. Oh sure, religion seeks...but what is sought is more dogma to reinforce existing dogma.
"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth".....da de da the first day. "And God said (remember, these are GOD's words, inviolate, sacrosanct.) Let there be a "firmament ..." Well isn't that funny, God said "firmament". Now a firmament is a vault, an arch...just what the not-so-scientific people of the times considered heaven to be; or was God perhaps playing a little loose with the English language.
And whatever happened to that giant spotlight, or torch or whatever it was that God came up with on the first day, as in "let there be light". "Cause She didn't think of the sun till day four, after inventing astrology on day three ("let them be for signs"). Then there was the nifty trick of the creation of grass, herbs and trees prior to the creation of the sun, but I guess that's what miracles are all about.
"And God made the two lights" ....I guess the moon went out when we weren't looking. Then God created the fowl out of the water (Gen 1:20;21)...no, that can't be right, 'cause later on (Gen 2:19) God again creates the fowl, this time out of the earth. Whoops.
"And God said Let us make man in OUR image." Who are we talking here? Yaweh, Zeus and Aphrodite?
"And God gave man dominion over (the beasts). If we had dominion over them, how is it that that animals existed long before mankind?
"Be fruitful and multiplyand replentish the earth and subdue it".....Overpopulation and starvation, way too much subduing, not near enough replentishing..you christians are in mortal peril of your souls in rejecting the Kyoto Accord in the interests of maintaining your 99.9% of the pie.
"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." ..must have really ticked off the lions, being stuck with those clownish ruminant teeth and having to chew grass. Probably commiting the sin of lusting after meat all the while.
"And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." hmmm...six days, twelve billion years..six days, twelve billion years...what's wrong with this math, theories of relativity notwithstanding.
And then we come to chapter two of Gen. where the order of creation is... surprise... different. Just can't keep the story straight
How did this book ever make it past the editors?
How can that which pertains to Perfection, be so screwed up?
Compared to all this, big bangs, colliding universes et al are much more palatable.

cheers...

MrsHoppes · Sergeant Joined: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 122 Location: USA

I was going to give a long reply to this topic with biblical answers and scientific evidence to such answers, but I am going instead to respect my husband's wishes and not argue with someone who refuses to see the Truth.

I will continue to pray for you.

ekrubtap · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:26 pm Post subject:

Why thank you. Mrs. Hoppes (sincerely). One can never have too many irons in the good karma fire.

cheers....

sighthound · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 12:20 am Post subject:

Regarding Cobblers2u post:

ekrubtap · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:38 am Post subject:

All religions seek power. They just substitute "the path", "the way", "The light", etc in order to reel in the people with the pennies in their pockets. After all, a religion without power is little more than a hobby. The Catholic church has just been exceptionally successful (read brutal) in their endeavors. Even the name is indicative: Catholic, meaning "universal" meanig "we want it all". All other religions are wannabe catholic, if not in idology, at least in methodology.

sosoome · Cadet Joined: Nov 28, 2003 Posts: 9 Location: USA

Overview

The Book of Genesis tells us that God created the Heaven and the Earth, while the Book of Revelation tells us why they were created. The simple fact is that GOD (being Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent) created the entire Universe some 20 Billion years ago (in man's reckoning of time) for the express purpose of exposing and revealing the inequities of one third of the heavenly beings and putting into effect His Plan to Glorify Himself to the heavenly beings and to weed out, reconcile and reorder ALL of God's creation.

The Bible Tells us that Satan stood at God's right hand until inequity was found in him. The connotation is that God discovered a trait or something unforeseen. The problem with this is that if God can be surprised in (any way, shape, or form) then by definition God would NOT exist. However, being Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent, God had to have pre-knowledge of the presence of inequity in Satan and the one-third of the Angels! The original intent of God to bring forth His Son was the event that exposed the inequity in Satan and the Angels that follow him and resulted in "Satan's" flood (Revelation 12:15 and 12:16) and the condition of the Earth described in Genesis 1:2

The main reason for all of recorded history is to reveal that God does, indeed, exist and that God and only God is in control. The inequity (Sin) of Satan and a third of the Angels was, and is, unbelief in the Deity of God!

Since The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of Truth, not believing or denying the truth is the Original and Only Sin (blasphemy)! Jesus tells us that the only thing that will not be forgiven is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 12:31, Mark 3:29)

The problem started with the heavenly beings and we are a part of God's solution to that problem. This is why Adam and Eve were created and why we exist. Our faith is a testimony of God's Deity to the heavenly beings. More importantly, God glorifies himself to the heavenly beings by demonstrating His Deity in the perfection of His Plan.

Outline of God's Plan:
1. Create the Universe. (Time and Space.)
2. Create the first life form to begin the process of evolution.
3. Reveal God's intent to bring forth His Only Son, thereby triggering a revolt and revealing the inequity of Lucifer and one-third of the heavenly beings.
4. Restoration of the Earth after Satan's Flood.
5. Create Adam and Eve to be the seed from whom God would raise up a people to bring about the birth of His only Son, (perfected by Grace, whom we know as Jesus Christ) to fulfill the sacrificial requirement of the Mosaic Law.
6. The millennial reign of Jesus Christ for the purpose of the reconciliation and reclamation of all of God's creation.
7. A New Heaven and New Earth (without inequity) and God dwelling amongst man.

God's provision of a perfected sacrifice is His response to utilize a pre-existing Pagan Temple system of worship existing outside of the Garden of Eden prior to the creation of Adam and Eve.

We need to realize that God is by nature a creator, not a destroyer and rejoice at the real purpose of our existance!


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