Do you believe in hell?

shamash · Corporal Joined: Mar 21, 2004 Posts: 70 Location: USA

Was wondering if anyone believes in the place called hell? Do you think so-called sinners go to this place when they die? Or do you think hell is just a scare tactic used to subjugate the masses?

ekrubtap · Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Do you believe in hell?

SicPreFix · Sergeant Joined: Feb 21, 2004 Posts: 121 Location: Canada

Hell no. Yet another greenman bugaboo to scare the timourous wee mousys of such and such. No heaven; no hell; just the good green earth.

MrsHoppes · Sergeant Joined: Feb 08, 2004 Posts: 122 Location: USA

Yes, I do. Hell has enlarged itself. (Read the Book Wink

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veridon · Cadet Joined: Jun 24, 2004 Posts: 2 Location: USA

hell is as real as the air we breathe. even though jesus spoke in parrables (which he did so.. i think.. because our inadequate minds couldn't understand all of his wisdom) doesn't mean that the whole bible is one big parrable that means something other then what is being said. God spoke directly to prophets and told them what was going to happen. he could have given them visions and what-not but i don't know. but hell is real.. heaven is real.. and i've got the confidence to know that im going to heaven... because if you read up on hell... it won't be place you'll ever want to go.

ekrubtap · Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:06 am Post subject:

Hell. A word which appears to have come from the Old English hel meaning 'concealed' (and, some suggest, 'dark hole'). Hell as a place of everlasting torment appears to have been an invention of the early Christians, perhaps a misunderstanding of the esoteric ABYSS which figures in Qabalistic texts and in the ancient mystery wisdom. The near equivalent to Hell in classical times was HADES, which was more of a post-mortem shadow land (where there was no torment, though gnashing of teeth) than the place of torture visualized in the modern European concept of Hell. The Hebraic Sheol has been translated in biblical texts as meaning Hell, but this translation is inaccurate. Sheol is the place where the dead go. There has been very little or no usage of Sheol in Satanic imagery, but it forms part of the prehistory of Hell.

The biblical heaven was the apparent vault (firmament) that covered the flat earth like an umbrella, and held back the water above the Heavens, except, of course, when God deamed it expedient to open up the "windows" and kill everyone because some were naughty.

The reason for this slight misunderstanding is that there is no God. Surely a God, by definition, would require intelligence. The biblical knowledge (the word of God) is rife with innacuracy. There is little in the roots of Judeo-Christian-Islamic (or any other) religion that is believeable or factual with, perhaps, the exception of a few hard pressed universal moral precepts.

Religionatta's today will tell you that (a) that's not what they really meant when they said that. What they meant was what makes sense today (in a strictly religious sense), or (b) Well we don't really believe that now, but God is still alive and well, (c) OK, God didn't dictate the bible, people wrote the bible, but they were inspired by God, or (d) those people weren't real Christians anyway.

(a) Whether or not they meant it is somewhat of a moot point. The bible was presented and percieved as fact and understood as reality. (b) Again, whether or not you believe this or that biblical fallacy is largely beside the point. Religion is based on innacuracy, falsehood, superstition, lies and bloodshed. Garbage in, garbage out. Todays religion can be no more valid than biblical religion as it's built on the same rotten foundation. (c) Whether dictated or inspired, the bible is the "Word o' God. And the word of God is wrong in too many instances so as to allow veracity in any area.
God, by definition, is not allowed mistakes. The bible is full of them. (d) Even if you are a women and children slaughtering Druze militiaman, if you profess faith in JC you are a Christian, a fellow traveller to all Christians, who, by professing adherence to the same sect, tacitly condone the excesses of the more extreme elements.

When Jesus was "speaking in parables", he was speaking to barely literate fishermen, sandal makers and desert nomads. I think the inclination would be to keep it simple enough for these people to understand. Otherwise, what would be the point? In fact the whole point of using a parable is to substitute a simple story to illustrate a more complex moral point. They were created for consumption by our "inadequate minds". If a point in the bible is hard to understand it is because it is obtuse, not because there are hidden layers of esoteric knowledge buried in it's depths, waiting patiently for mankind ot unravel the key.

donsadolfan · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:02 am Post subject:

"Surely a God, by definition, would require intelligence. The biblical knowledge (the word of God) is rife with innacuracy."

I have to interject a point. Inaccuracies in the bible does not necessarily mean God is not intelligent. The "word of God" was still written by man.

As for Religion and Christianity, interpretations will always change as time passes. What was once thought as right is now contradicted based on those interpretations.

In answer to the original question, I still haven't figured out if Heaven and Hell exists. That will be something I will have to figure out on my own.

ekrubtap · Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:00 am Post subject:


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