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Jamming
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 9:38 am Post subject: |
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The Basques who I talk to think of themselves as different than Spanish. Some Basques think so much of this difference that they will kill normal Spainards in pursuit of an independent country.
I guess Spainards have always run out on their Allies, why should America be different. Just remember that regardless of parties you where there and ran away. That must be Spanish Courage, then. Vote how you like, doesn't mean your not a coward. |
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comomolo
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Jamming wrote: |
The Basques who I talk to think of themselves as different than Spanish. Some Basques think so much of this difference that they will kill normal Spainards in pursuit of an independent country. |
You must have really weird Spanish/Basque friends... and a complete lack of sociology skills.
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I guess Spainards have always run out on their Allies, why should America be different. Just remember that regardless of parties you where there and ran away. That must be Spanish Courage, then. Vote how you like, doesn't mean your not a coward. |
It's easy to disregard poltical parties when you have just one ideology in two slightly different flavours. We have a broader mind but that's far from your reach, so I won't even try to explain.
And yes, most Spaniards are happy to not being the world's bully little friend any longer. Go ahead with your own weapons of mass destruction doing what you like all over the world. As I said before, I couldn't care less about your brutality. Unless you think of attacking us, in which case we would use the best ways to destroy you. We certainly don't have the most powerful army in the world. Think for one second how countries without a big army should fight against the US... (knock, knock, anybody home, McFly?).
I'm leaving this nonsense thread now, I have better places to spend my time.
CM
BTW: You should try and learn your own language: it's "Spaniards" not "Spainards".
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Jamming
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2004 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, your such an advance nation, much more sophisticated than Americans. If we did want to whip your arse, it would be over, just like in 1898. I seem to remember that in my lifetime you were a Fascist Nation, but that is why you are so much better than us now.
The brutality of our soldiers will be punished, just like the brutality of the Canadians, was in Somalia. Where the Canadian Airborne killed a boy by torture, not just posed people in pictures or psychological abuse.
You didn't have a better place to spend your time when you stuck your big mouth into this thread. I see you are wanting to runaway from this thread, like any other conflict. Go do something better. |
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aspydestra
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Jamming wrote: |
Oh yeah, your such an advance nation, much more sophisticated than Americans. If we did want to whip your arse, it would be over, just like in 1898. I seem to remember that in my lifetime you were a Fascist Nation, but that is why you are so much better than us now.
You didn't have a better place to spend your time when you stuck your big mouth into this thread. I see you are wanting to runaway from this thread, like any other conflict. Go do something better. |
My o'My, I did advise that you were making statements that were of an objectional nature to all Europeans Jammin but you still persevere.
It looks to me like you have got your come-uppance from comomolo.
Idle boasts of arse whipping just dont wash Jammin, no matter how big your ego / army / weapon base or threats just 1 word will bring the whole country to a standstill and put the fear of god up all your backsides, (Anthrax)
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Jamming
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Nice Band, Anthrax as a whole it is a poor terror weapon, it can only be targeted at limited areas and is easily detected. We have a terror weapon too, we call it Thermonuclear Weapons, you want to play terror wars, then lets. You think that if we really are threatened we won't take of the gloves?
Come uppance, come-on the Spanish Civilians are cowards from get go. I guess you reading a Post through you rose colored special glasses. It looked like the Army Brigade that was returning from Iraq wanted to kill their own President, when he was walking smiling in front of them. You could see the hate and disdain in their eyes. |
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aspydestra
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Still the idle threats I see, bully-boy tactics as ever.
All just stand to reiterate my view on military personel.
Sadists pursuing their hobby, (as shown in the world press, UK included.
I thought that you went to "liberate" the people, been going on a spiraling Helter Skelter to the bottomless pit just recently has it not? |
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Jamming
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, believe everything you read in the news. Like how the a Swiss man and German Teen just were picked up for writing about the last four major computer viruses. So does that mean that no European should have a Computer? Are they just sadists that threaten the freedom to communicate world wide.
You were the one that threatened America with a biological weapon attack, yet you don't understand why we would threatened you back? Your just the one that starts something and expects that to be it. America understand that we must persevere if someone threatens us.
This is where things go when the actions of a few are the reason to judge the whole of the a group. I don't think that all Europeans should not have a computer because of a German Teen and Swiss Man. You should be smarter than to judge the actions of all, on a few. Just like similar reports in Basra are not an indictment of UK Forces. |
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aspydestra
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, believe everything you read in the news. Like how the a Swiss man and German Teen just were picked up for writing about the last four major computer viruses. So does that mean that no European should have a Computer? Are they just sadists that threaten the freedom to communicate world wide.
[/b]I failto see the relativity point, dont go off on a tangent or we will be discussing US Cops beating up the ethnic minority for traffic offences, keep to the plot. sounds like you've lost it!
You were the one that threatened America with a biological weapon attack, yet you don't understand why we would threatened you back? Your just the one that starts something and expects that to be it. America understand that we must persevere if someone threatens us.
[b]I threaten no-one unless you invade my property or country, I just mentioned which was the most frightening, Weapons or Germs!
Also I do not judge by single actions but by the general acceptance of the overall policy that we as westerers know better than those whom we try to help through misguided information. Help where help is asked for should be the order of the day, not ram it down the throats of those who cannot stand up against you in a military conflict. Paople power will prevail! (the power of the pen is mightier than the sword).Lost the plot there also I think. |
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Jamming
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, now I see your problem, "Violence never solved anything." Tell that to the Carthagenians, whoops you can't their all dead. Tell that to the people going to working in the Twin Towers above where the planes hit. Whoops again you might be able to tell a few that survived it, but most are dead.
Its not about knowing better, its about not being DEAD. |
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frannie
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:20 pm Post subject: Iraqi and the War |
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[quote="spy1
The objective was to destroy their military capabilty and teach them a lesson (as well as to find all those pesky "weapons of mass destruction" that STILL haven't turned up - and won't, because they never existed as a real threat to us).
(quote="Frannie
The cost of this war and its after affects to the USA and UK, both in monetary and human terms, is taking a heavy toll on both countries. Although the war is officially ended, the transfer of power to Iraqi governmental rule by June 30th is becoming increasingly difficult, if not downright impossible.
We must'nt forget the massive cost of reconstruction which was pledged by both countries. I would not be surprised if it near bankrupts us all.
Incidently, the WMDs were probably moved into Syria or Iran before the onset of the war. After all, Saddam had about 5 months leeway between being made aware of the impending attack and the commencement of the attack itself. |
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Jamming
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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When more people are murdered in both countries by family members, than either have lost in casualties so far. I would submit the human cost is rather low for them. I remember growing up in Vietnam days when we lost more people in two days than we have lost total in all aspects of the War. I think about the cost to Great Britain and America during the World War 2 and realize that our cost are light. We have not really been in a stand-up fight as countries yet. It will probably take us, a WMD going off in a large city to truly understand the dangers we are facing. Unfortunately that happens when you have traitorous legions working to undermine the advances in the war which have been made so far. |
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spy1
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Jamming wrote: |
I would submit the human cost is rather low for them. |
Since you're not "paying" that "human cost", why don't you try flying that sentiment past the families of those American dead - they probably won't buy into such a trivial dismissal of their loved-ones deaths for no good reason as easily as you do.
It might be different if there were a clear-cut point, or goal, to whatever it is we're doing there, but that's not the case.
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Unfortunately that happens when you have traitorous legions working to undermine the advances in the war which have been made so far. |
lol! What "advances"? Assuming we're even able to "pull out", what reasonably intelligent individual doesn't realize that the whole country will instantly revert back to a near mirror-image of what it was (or worse) before we landed?
And who can claim not to see the direct correlation between our presence there and their using that presence to "justify" future terrorist attacks, beheadings and burnings/mutilations of bodies?
It was a "no-win" situation from the instant we stepped across their border with American troops - and "getting out" will likely be a nightmare.
If the WMD's (if they existed at all) were moved to another country, perhaps jamming would have us invade all the countries that they might have gone to since we're already there? In for a penny, in for a pound, right, jamming? Surely such a course would allow plenty of time for the death-toll to rack up figures that would impress even you?
Oh, I forgot - we wouldn't dare touch some of those Arab nations, regardless of what terrorists or substances they harbor. Some of them have nuclear weapons of their own, and we won't go up against that, now will we? (Witness the North Korean situation - if you possess nuclear weapons, you're a candidate for a "diplomatic" rather than a "military" solution - now there's American-government "courage" for you!). Not to mention the fact that (HORRORS!) such a course might interfere with the precious oil supply from those countries!
God forbid that anyone realize that the only true way to neutralize the Arab threat is to become non-dependent on their damned oil - because that would entail (non-lethal) sacrifice and inconvenience to the American economy while we switched over to our own and non-Arab sources and developed alternative-energy solutions.
I could feel real good - and even patriotic - about paying a high price for gas at the pumps if it was putting American oil-field workers back to work (and hurting the Arab economies while doing so), or buying our crude from neutral/friendly countries.
I'd also feel like waving the flag a little more if those American troops were being used at our borders to keep illegal immigrants and terrorists out at that point instead of seeing them needlessly die in foreign countries where we don't belong. Look at the savings in both money and American lives that would entail from such a course.
And, you like all the "patriot" act-like measures? Great! Apply all of them only to non-U.S. citizens and guess what? Pete's "on-board" with that, too!
Effective control of foreigners within this country itself would have totally prevented 9-11 and you know it, jamming. Control/screening surviellance of foreign students, visitors, business-people and foreign "government" (read "embassy") people.
Of course, you can only buy into such a course/plan of action if your true concern is the safety of the American homeland and people.
Has world-wide terrorism decreased since we landed troops? Not according to what I see on the news each day.
Have Americans come home in body bags since Day One of landing? Yes, and they will continue to do so - for no good reason and with no effect other than that of having our continued presence there piss the Arabs off even more, and spur them to even greater hatred and acts of terrorism towards the U.S and others.
But then again, that's what I guess gets you off, jamming - the use of American military might, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, or even whether or not its' application is done intelligently or not.
It's a shame you're too old to go over there and possibly save the life of (or take the place of ) even one American that would die instead. (Of course, that would be putting your money where your mouth is, wouldn't it? How unlikely).
So, go ahead and keep branding entire nations as "cowards" when they don't go along with your point-of-view, jamming, and keep insinuating that anyone else that doesn't agree with you is a traitor - you're the perfect example of what everyone else sees as what's wrong with America, Americans and American world-wide policies - and I certainly wouldn't want you to drop the banner on that one.
Have a great weekend. Pete
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Jamming
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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You have a good weekend too Pete. You need to remember your mixing your costs. Cost to a nation versus, cost to a family. Like Apples and Oranges, but unfortunately about the same individual. |
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TMOV
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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since the "SPAINARDS" have such poor control over their borders, as we all do and they are so close to the action, it wouldn't surprise me to hear of the detonation of a nuclear warhead in one of spains largest cities simply because it is near a facility used by NATO or US INTERESTS.
THEN HOW WILL THEY REACT?
WILL THEY WANT TO GET ENGAGED IN THE WAR AGAIN?
I DOUBT IT,
I THINK THAT THEY ARE A BUNCH OF
SPINELESS PROTOZOA.
LOW LIFES!!!
IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE:
COBARDES!!! SIN COJONES! |
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RyGuy
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I have to say that I agree with the orininal post. I feel that the Spanish have acted very cowardly in pulling the troups in response to the incident. Some of you complain of all the life lost for this cause in Iraq, but the truth is you really don't see the good in what has happened over there. All you people watch is CNN and MSNBC, and the only thing you will get out of that is the negative. I have close relatives in Iraq fighting, and when they come home and see the news they are absolutely hurt because it makes us look like we are losing the war for gods sake. I have lost dear friends in this as well, however the loss of life should NOT keep us from completing the mission. Unless you want to face these evils in New York City or another large city here in the United States it is necessary to be on the offensive. In relation to Sadam he and the UN had some 12 years to take care of this and nothing was ever done, it was time that someone followed through. |
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