Olde English

Blast · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:26 am Post subject:

Actually, its us blokes and blokesses that live down under that have preserved and enhanced the enlish language. You lot up there keep ranting on about how it came into existance. Its us lot down here that ensure it stays in existance

Try that one on!!!!!
hehehe

Ikeb · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:19 am Post subject:

Oh did I forget to mention the "Down Under" contortions? Sorry about that!

Mariner · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:40 am Post subject:

Far from being hunkered down in marshlands, the Anglo-Saxons were spread far and wide throughout the British Isles. It was they who gave Britain it's first proper "modern" laws upon which British justice and the current British legal system is founded.

As far as language is concerned, of course English has undergone many changes, but, basically, it is made up of three distinct periods, early, middle and late. These have come about as a result of multiple invasions along with the associated imported languages. The earliest period undeniably being Germanic in origin. Those who remained have always "cherry picked" the best or most convenient of whatever is to hand, blending it in with the language of the time, right up until today, the language evolving constantly.

It could be said that "Native English" is that which you can only find in Wales and Cornwall, both places being where the true native inhabitants of Britain were pushed and made their last stand. Scotland is different insofar as their native language was not a form of English - check out Gordoilic and Brythonic Celt languages and cultures, to which Cornish, Welsh, Breton, Irish, Manx and Scottish belong.

Sure, the English pushed their way into parts of Scotland, but they never completely overran it. Come to that, even the Irish took over South Westerly parts of Scotland, leaving their indelible mark on that part of the country. The Cornish, however, were eventually completely overrun, and
had English forced upon them.

Hence my saying: I know it'll go down like a lead balloon in some quarters but, that which is spoken in lowland Scotland is more akin to "olde english" than anything else. The reason for this is that where the English got in Scotland, they stayed and this is why people in pockets of lowland Scotland speak what is in essence, an early form of English. Note the term "early", as this would not resemble English as we know it today.

For a thoroughly informative, educational and entertaining read on the English language, l would recommend modern works by English author Melvyn Bragg. A brief synopsis of his book "The Adventure of English 500 AD - 2000" says:

English is the collective work of millions of people throughout the ages. It is democratic, ever-changing and ingenious in its assimilation of other cultures. English runs through the heart of world finance, medicine and the Internet and it is understood by around two thousand million people across the world. Yet it was very nearly wiped out in its early years. In this title Melvyn Bragg shows us the remarkable story of the English language: from its beginnings as a minor guttural Germanic dialect to its position today as a truly established global language. Embracing elements of Latin, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Arabic, Hindi and Gullah, this 1500-year story covers a huge range of countries and peoples. "The Story of English" is not only a story of power, religion and trade, but also the story of people, and how their day-to-day lives shaped and continue to change the extraordinary language that is English.

But, if you want to experience "real" English, you'll have to look to Wales and Cornwall, the home of original English.

Returning to what started this " I resemble that", is this a corruption of English or a modification of the language made to suit times and changes?

Guess i'll have to ask claire to dig out that American/Canadian translation tool.

Merlin_D · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:43 pm Post subject:

Don't you mean Gailic, not irish?

mariner · Guest

Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic and Manx Gaelic. Check out Brythonic and Gordoilic Celts for differences in language etc.

lilliebet65 · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject:

Oooh you don't want to catch them gordoilic celts - nasty!

Blast · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject:

lilliebet65 · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 5:48 pm Post subject:

Blast · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:17 pm Post subject:

lilliebet65 · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:23 pm Post subject:

Fantastic. Did I mention you're the emote in my emoticon?

lilliebet65 · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject:

PS, never try and explorer.exe on the first date

Blast · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject:

Ah, that could have been the problem except it was our 43rd wedding anniversary (remember the old peoples home )

Mariner · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:46 pm Post subject:

Very good Blast, got me laughing. That HJT Log is worth pinning or carving on your bedstead.

Ikeb · Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:45 pm Post subject:


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